Guest Post: The False Scourge of the False Widow

Unless you’ve been hiding inoffensively in a dark corner (much like our chosen subject) you cannot have failed to notice the recent mounting hysteria surrounding a certain type of spider. Pictures of horrific injuries and tales of ‘vicious’ attacks by False Widow spiders have been dominating the local tabloids with every Tom, Dick, and Harry apparently having a brush with death at the hands of these largely harmless arachnids. Now this may come as some surprise to you, but very little of this hyperbole is based upon truth. The media are fuelling and feeding off the public’s fear, which in turn is based upon ignorance. So, I am going to set the record straight in an attempt to support the beleaguered False Widow.

The Invasion

Firstly, the False Widow is nothing new. These spiders have been in the UK longer than you, regardless of how old you are. Believed to have come into the country on goods imported from the Canary Islands, the first documented sightings date from around 1879 and they have been slowly spreading throughout the south of England, living in fairly close proximity to us since then. It is hypothesized that recent changes in climate have prompted the False Widow’s accelerated expansion into most areas of the UK, although it is still confined mainly to the south.

The Spider

The reports of the False Widow that have been circulating have been focussing upon Steatoda nobilis or the Noble Widow. However, this is only one of an entire family of spiders, many of which are present in the UK.  The genus Steatoda is a relative of Latrodectus, which contains L.mactans or the Black Widow. What many people don’t realise is that the Black Widow has also made its way over to the UK, albeit in vastly reduced numbers. And it’s the FALSE Widow that people are concerned about! Steatoda has a few species that are present in the UK and all of them are capable of inflicting a bite. But then a Garden Spider (Araneus diadematus) is also capable of biting and that bite is extremely benign. (I should know, I have been bitten by one as a child – and yes it was totally my fault, I picked the spider up)

The Bite

Now the bite itself. Steatoda, and Latrodectus (and indeed most arachnids) have neurotoxic venom, which can cause pain, swelling, nausea and, in rare cases, even cramps and a fever. It doesn’t cause the skin to rot and fall off, nor does it result in significant muscle loss. What CAN cause that is secondary staph infection – even MRSA – or potentially a very severe allergic reaction to the venom. However this reaction would only occur in an EXTREMELY small percentage of people.

The most you should expect from a False Widow bite would be some swelling, some pain and possibly generally feeling unwell, and much of that may be psychosomatic  – no worse than a nasty bee or wasp sting. If bitten, clean and dress the bite. If you start feeling ill go to A&E for treatment; it’s unlikely to amount to any more than administering pain medication and antihistamines. This said, the effect is likely to be more profound for those in poor health, the very old, or the very young so caution should still be exercised in those cases.

The Coverage

So that’s the spider’s history and the bite itself covered, let’s talk about the reports and the errors within. Aside from the fact that the spider actually pictured varies from Tegenaria gigantea (the large Common House spider you often see crawling about – usually a male in search of a mate) to the Laceweb spider Amaurobius similis (both utterly harmless), in these articles the spiders are described as killers, deadly, poisonous, vicious, and flesh eating.  Let’s handle these one at a time.

  • Killers: these spiders have killed NO-ONE. Peanuts and wasps have caused more deaths than S.nobilis. Then again, so have elephants and stepladders.
  • Deadly: admittedly most papers do normally specify that a bite can be lethal only in the case of the most extreme allergic reaction.  This being the case, why keep spouting about how ‘deadly’ they are? Unless ,of course, you’re in Ireland, where deadly has entirely different connotations, it is a grossly unfair adjective to use – unless you are also going to start referring to peanuts, wasps, bees, ants, strawberries, coffee, or anything else to which you might suffer an allergic reaction to in the same manner.
  • Poisonous: poison refers to a toxin ingested or absorbed through the skin; venom is injected by an animal by a bite or sting. A small distinction, but an important one – how can you trust a report if they don’t even get the basics right? A False Widow probably wouldn’t taste nice but it won’t harm you by eating it, so they are not poisonous.
  • Vicious: Steadota, and for that matter most spiders, are NOT vicious. They are shy, retiring creatures that want to be left alone and undisturbed and will only react if they are provoked or threatened. Most False Widow bites occur because the spider has ended up in clothing and was disturbed as the ‘victim’ dressed. That said, shirts and trousers are not the chosen habitat of the false widow; they prefer dark corners and will often be found in a shed or garage. It is only with the arrival of the colder weather that these arachnids start to encroach upon our homes. So they aren’t vicious or malicious unlike some of the pieces of journalistic fiction that have been written about them.
  • Flesh Eating: despite the sensationalist headlines like ‘Spider Tried To Eat My Leg!’ and ‘Millions Of Flesh Eating Spiders Invade Britain!’ the lower limb of the average human is FAR too large for even the largest spider in the world to consume. S.nobilis would much prefer to feed upon flies or other small insects. These spiders are only around 2cm in size! Hardly the terror they have been portrayed as.

 

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And you’re SCARED of this?! Look at the way it viciously attacks anything in its path!

Image copyright: Richard @ the-poms.com

So hopefully this has gone someway to defuse the hysteria surrounding these unfairly maligned creatures. The truth is that these spiders are not out to get you, they have been around for over 100 years and just want to be left alone. They have no desire to attack ‘like out of a horror film’ and will not eat your flesh. They can bite and it can be a painful one but apart from very, very rare occurrences it will be no worse than a severe bee sting. Spiders perform a vital role in ecology; they control the populations of the small disease-carrying bugs that otherwise would plague us in the summer months and should be seen as useful creatures rather than something to be feared.

The upshot of these horrendous articles is that people are killing every spider they come across, regardless of species and, although our eight-legged friends are probably numerous enough to not be wiped out by our misguided indiscriminate slaughter, ecosystems can be a fragile thing and a natural equilibrium can easily be disrupted. Don’t kill them; if you are concerned then remove them with a jar and a piece of card – they won’t spring at you with fangs bared – and put them outside.

Not every spider you see is a False Widow. They are small with noticeably longer front legs (a trait of Steatoda/Latrodectus) and round bulbous dark abdomens which in the case of Nobilis have a dull cream pattern on them. The press are feeding off people’s fears and the information they are spouting is both inaccurate and unhelpful. Treat any animal with respect and it will have no reason to react in a negative manner. Hopefully the ridiculous furore surrounding False Widows will die down soon and we can return to the pedestrian levels of spider hatred and intolerance these misunderstood yet wonderful creatures have to endure.

 

Allen Ward is an experienced keeper and breeder of arachnids, sharing his home with more than 300 spiders and tarantulas from all over the world – many of which have medically significant venom. He also has a large collection of various invertebrates and reptiles. The only times he has ever been bitten by spiders was when he was a child and was in the habit of just picking them up in the wild for a better look. He is still in possession of all of his limbs. He is available to advise on all relevant stories until the False Widow drama has died down – please contact the Elwell Press for details.

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133 thoughts on “Guest Post: The False Scourge of the False Widow

  1. How do you know black widows are in this country? And if so wouldn’t the papers be more likely to make that a Headline rather than the false widow?

    1. Zoologists and entomologists know that the Black Widow is present in this country because they have discovered both living and dead specimens. If the UK press were concerned with reflecting reality without distorting facts or deliberately attempting to provoke fear, there would be no need to defend any of the following against demonisation: benefit claimants, immigrants, single mothers, the NHS, the BBC, or Ralph Miliband.

    2. Black widows have been here a while. Normally in isolated colonies near ports where they have come in on imports, i know of two that have been found and captured locally. The odds of coming across one are very very low as they are present in far lower numbers than S.nobilis which seems to have established itself very well.
      Its far more effective for the papers to report on a mildly venomous (made out to be more dangerous) spider that people will see everyday than a more dangerous spider that you might never see. Even a bite from a Black Widow (Latrodectus mactans) is unlikely to result in a fatality for a healthy adult although you would certainly be most unwell. Again you are very unlikely to come across one so there is no real cause for concern.

      1. Allen. Im pretty sure i came across a black widow in my garden this summer just gone, I thought nothing of it at the time, just suprised because it had a red back and was quite small and very black. I don’t live too far from Dover. Do you think its possible they are in south east kent gardens or are there other spiders with red backs?

  2. Don’t mean to sound like an ass but seriously this is pretty funny to an Australian. The red back / black widow is just about the least dangerous thing in our whole country. We have funnel webs which are large and aggressive, can bight through a toe nail or clothes and have extremely toxic venom… They have killed approximately ZERO people in the last decade.

    1. You chaps have a spider (one of the funnel webs) that has venom actively DESIGNED to kill humans and still you just take it all in your stride and experience zero casualties. I’m not surprised you find the whole thing hilarious in all honesty as you have many deadly species and still there is nowhere near the furore that we are experiencing. Fingers crossed the papers will get bored soon and it will all go away.

      Will, It wouldn’t surprise me if you might come across the very occaisional exotic spieces from oversea if you live nearish Dover. The only other native species we have similar to what you are describing is a Ladybird spider but that is similar in colouration only and an endangered and protected species in the UK. Widows dont have black backs though, they have a red hour class shape under the abdomen. Many other species have red markings on their backs. Again they deliver a unpleasant and harmful but not lethal bite.

  3. Hi Allen, I have at least 1 false widow in my back garden, the type you are speaking about on here. I am not a fan of any spider but don’t like to harm them. We have a female (my partner emailed a specialist) so this is where my info comes from; he has said the same as you she lives quite happily under my window seal as long as she doesn’t come indoors. I am not worried even though I don’t like spiders. I think they are fascinating to watch very cleaver little creatures. More information can be found here if anyone requires it.
    http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2007/may/news_11767.html

  4. On the subject of visiting spiders, Newhaven near us used to be a fruit port for mainly Canary Isles tomatoes and bananas and apparently it was not unusual to see the odd tarantula wandering about the warehouses! They died rapidly in the cold air Also but not sure of any proof but apparently the local hospital at Eastbourne was geared up for toxic spider bites from them. May be a local story but can certainly believe the arrival of the tarantulas having found one in my car after visiting a banana grower on Tenerfife.

  5. I would just like to say thank you VERY much for all the kind words and positive feedback on this article. I do actually have a few more planned as the press seem determined to continue their agenda of spider related scaremongering stories. It is especially heartening to hear from people who were scared/concerned before reading but have now had their fears alleviated somewhat. 🙂

  6. Hi thank you for this article I have been scared stiff over past few weeks I have 5 young kids 14,12,9,6 and 3 my 12 year old has a mild case of cerebal palsey and I have been not sleeping etc too afraid to go in the attic in case a spider bit me or dropped down into my kids bedrooms and bit one of my kids in they sleep my kids are my life..if the spider did bite my daughter with cerebal palsey would she be more at risk and also my young kids please can you send me back a little reply thanks

    1. Hi Marc – hope you don’t mind me replying too. I used to volunteer for an organisation that worked with sick and disabled kids and adults, so I’d like to field is one. Younger children may be more affected because their bodies are less able to metabolise the venom – proportionately smaller organs have to work harder to remove a toxin that wouldn’t trouble an adult.

    2. Older children might be badly affected if they have weak immune systems, are prone to infections, or take medication that interferes with their ability to fight infection. They’ll also react badly if they’re allergic, as anyone with an allergy would. However, given the comparative improbability of being bitten, it’s probably best not to lose sleep over it. Like Allen said, bee or wasp stings occur far more often and are no more or less harmful. Best to you and yours, C.

      1. Thank you for the reply I really appreciate it so have u studied these spiders for long…have to say I have been in bits but your article has really helped me thank you ever so much best wishes to you and your family x

  7. Hi Allan thanks for the article you have really helped me I have 5 children 14,12,9,6 and 3 my 12 year old has mild case cerebal palsey in the article it says young and people with poor health maybe more at risk would this apply to my disabled daughter and 8,6 and 3 year old or would it be more like infants etc please get back too me and best wishes to you and also the writer

  8. Marc
    Its important to put your concerns into context. We all have been living with these spiders without any issues. And, when we (or if) we go abroad we’re likely to come across more of them, and even more venomous species. And yet, until recently, nearing the end of their season, we’re hearing lots of scare stories. But why have we never heard of these before?
    The False Widow is not an aggressive species, it will flee, infact even though my exotics room has visibly over 30 roaming freely, its quite rare that I can actually catch one! And the bite reports of France and Spain, who have much higher numbers of these spiders, are negligible.
    The bite reports of many species often include the suggestion that weaker members of the public, old, young or infirm, are likely to experience greater affects. In reality this is guess work, its similar to a disclaimer. The recorded deaths in the UK amount to 0. The amount of confirmed bites are extremely low. But the reports of bites where people have assumed they have been bitten by False Widows is higher. Re-read the reports you have read and you’ll quite often see such assumptions.
    The symptoms are likely to be sharp pain in the bite area, swelling, slightly flu-like and possibly chest pains but the likelihood of an allergic reaction is extremely low. However, with all bites, scrapes or scratches its important to administer some antiseptic.
    Your main concern therefore is not the venom, but secondary infection, or in the extremely unlikely event that a member of your family are bitten, that an adverse reaction caused by the venom and any existing medical treatment reveals itself.
    To be honest I can’t help but think the hysteria that the press have caused, and will have to account for if the press complaints committee take action, is similar to the first radio play of War of the Worlds. Rational, accurate information beats such sensationalism every day of the week!

    1. Good morning thanks to the article I had my first good sleep last night in weeks thanks to all that have taken the time and a massive thank you to Allan and Christie for putting the correct facts down for us all too see

    2. Hello everyone

      Firstly I’d like to ask the information about these widows is nice too hear but also I’m wondering is it accurate I have been fed so much different stories about these spiders so I’m hoping this is genuine so I can finally get some closure and get my life back. When you say young will be affected more greater how young are we talking I have a 3 year old and 6 year old and 8 yearl old would they come into the bracket or is it more babies and under 2…please help as my obsession with these spiders is getting bad and my wife is threatening to leave me in also worried about going into my attic in case I get bit or one drops out and bites my kids in there sleep as my 3 year olds bedroom is in where the attic hatch is please Allan or Christie or anyone who really knows the proper facts please help get my life back before I destroy it

      1. Hi David,

        I’ll answer with two points. Firstly, our most recent article was fact-checked and verified by Dr. Stuart Longhorn of the Oxford Museum of Natural History; those are his images we used. Before doing so, he will have established Allen’s credentials and read this article. If it were inaccurate, his professional reputation would have been compromised by working with a site that knowingly published bad information. He would have requested an edit or declined the collaboration. The article has also been distributed via a number of reputable forums populated by similarly knowledgeable users, none of whom have reported any inaccuracies.

        Secondly, the False Widow is simply not a spider that attacks without provocation. Some days ago, Allen recorded and posted a film of himself handling a False Widow – it spends the duration of the video either curled into a ball or running away. Perhaps Allen will post a link – it’s up to you whether you watch it. In the unlikely event that there’s one in your house, it is completely out of character for it to go looking for trouble.

        In terms of the age of the children and their ability to metabolise venom, this varies on a case-by-case basis. The general rule is that older children can metabolise it more easily, but it’s hard to say precisely with regard to age.

        I hope this has helped a little. Other outlets are beginning to publish articles saying the same thing we’re arguing here, so there are now more articles in the same vein. If you’d feel better getting the information from a more established source, I think the BBC and the Guardian have both covered it.

        Hope this helps.

      2. Thank you for the reply Christie I would love to watch the video of Allan please could y direct me to the link as if confirming my fears thank you it has reassured me a lot more best wishes too you and your family

      3. Here you go David, though i would not advocate handling the spider (i have experience in spider wrangling lol) this should show they are not vicious terrors. First it huddles, then when i prompt it to move it flees. Then when it realises i am no threat it wanders around on my hand just fine, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcdC95DUVzE

      4. Amazing Allan thank you so much your an absolute legend I’m so thankfull too you and Christie for this info you have taken time too share

  9. Do all false widows have a thick creme line around them with markings on it I saw a spider this morning in a bus shelter looked black with a very thin creme line around body but without markings like skull on the back please help

  10. Hi I saw a spider this morning still pretty dark in bus stop upside down with a faint creme line around the body no other markings on body do u think this could be a noblis or are there other spiders with a creme line around body

  11. Unfortunately Marc there are a great deal of UK spiders that resemble S.nobilis. There are even other Steatoda that look a little like what you are describing. That is one of the reasons i am currently working on a comprehensive Identification guide. As far as the effect of venom on CP goes i am afraid i could not say at all being not at all familiar with Cerebral Palsy, My advice would be to speak to your Childs Doctor about it. Sorry i couldn’t be more help.

    1. Thanks for getting back to me Allan please let me know on here when you have completed the identification document your working on

  12. hello, I just wanted to say a massive thank you basically.
    Im 18 years old, and i suffer extreme anxiety. have done for years.
    i saw an article on AOL news about ’10 million killer spiders invading Britain’. not gonna lie, i went crazy. made up a vinegar spray, ordered conker spray. Spray my room twice a day, I’m so nervous of spiders after these countless articles about false widows.
    I saw a huge house spider on my wall and i literally started crying and ran out of my room. i NEVER used to be like that. Used to just go ah, mum get that spider out my room. but now i just cry and wont go back in that room the same day. I haven’t slept in my room since I’ve heard about these spiders – which has been 2 weeks now. I’ve been sleeping on the sofa.

    I’ve been trying to find out the truth about these spiders but the media these days are so incompetent when it comes to the truth. But now im a little bit LESS worried about them. just a little mind.

    at least i know the truth now. i thank you greatly for posting this article.

    1. You are most welcome Laura, im glad it helped. Should you need further evidence that these spiders are not the threat they have been made out to be check out this vid where i handle a small female. She makes no attempt to attack me at all. 😀

      1. Amazing just watched the video and have too say has made me realise I’ve been worried over not a lot Allan and Christie I would personally like to thank you for sharing these facts with us for me in general it has helped massively I still hope I never see one but I can now go into my attic without too much worry …thanks again and best wishes to you both and also anyone else who has posted replies too me I will look forward to seeing anything else you may post have a great Xmas too you all

      2. thank you ever so much for posting this video – it really calmed me down about things alot. I don’t think im going to stop being scared of spiders for a while yet, but, this has definitely helped me on my way 🙂

  13. Hi sorry need a little advice went to but my rubbish in the wheeley bin outside and when I opened it there was a spider roughly about 1-2 cm it had sort of stripy legs with a creme belt and making on the back of it could this have been a noblis please reply if I can or are there other spiders with creme belts and marking on it every pic I have seen of one seems to have red legs whereas this had like patterned colour legs

      1. Hi peter thanks for getting back too me I have looked at the page but can’t identify the spider I saw…is there any pics of young false widows I could see male and female also if it was one does that mean there’s more around

      2. Even if it is a False Widow, which is still unclear, there’s no cause to panic – as Allen’s video shows, they’re totally docile even when picked up and handled. It’ll move on in time if you leave it be, or you can carefully catch it in a glass and move it elsewhere.

      3. Thanks Christie I am continuing too see reports of people saying they been bit and put in coma or skin being eaten etc one of the papers about 4 days ago they really starting too worry people…if a false widow was present though would it cause other spiders to vanish etc sorry but it seems the only site I can actually get help truth and help with my fear is thorough you

  14. Can you put a picture of the spider up here David? 9 times out of 10 the spider turns out to be an orb weaver spider. You will be pleased to know that i am working on my ID article and it should be up by the weekend.

    1. Sorry Allan I didn’t get one it was pretty small too be honest circular creme marking around body and a creme marking in center up until a few days ago I’d noticed spiders around my garden but have since not noticed could this be to the bad weather or are normal spiders scared of false widows this spider had like a orange tint to its legs but also black patches I’ve since seen articles about people being put into coma and one guy I spoke too said he got bit and he has 2 holes in his arm which 3 weeks later ain’t healed and have had like ink leaking from them everytime he showers can a false widow cause this and if it was I seen are there likely to be more around

    2. Sorry Allan I didn’t get one it was pretty small too be honest circular creme marking around body and a creme marking in center up until a few days ago I’d noticed spiders around my garden but have since not noticed could this be to the bad weather or are normal spiders scared of false widows this spider had like a orange tint to its legs but also black patches I’ve since seen articles about people being put into coma and one guy I spoke too said he got bit and he has 2 holes in his arm which 3 weeks later ain’t healed and have had like ink leaking from them everytime he showers can a false widow cause this and if it was I seen are there likely to be more around..I panick as u can appreciate

    3. WHAT ID ARTICLE, Allen?
      I see no link 😉
      I just had the less-than-fun experience of feeling something crawling on me under my clothes after a trip to the garden shed. Didn’t think anything of it, but it was definitely something as the gentle tickling persisted. Lifted my shirt and there was a spider near my armpit. Shook it off, but was a bit freaked out as I (irrationally, and unusually-irrational for myself, I admit) hate spiders near me. I like what they do in the ecosystem, mind-you. I’m pretty convinced it was Steatoda nobilis, as I spend a lot of time in London and they’re (genuinely) all over the place there. However, today’s example was in N.E. Wales, (which has been warm recently) and after checking all the photos I could, it was pretty likely Steatoda nobilis. Same size, distinct, bulbous – but not perfectly-round – abdomen, same body and leg colour and leg-distribution, skull-like white pattern in centre of abdomen with straight aspects to the pattern, (e.g. like the brow ridges of a skull) but not in lines like the known-similar spiders. Whole pattern is centred and distinct within the darker abdomen. Cream band around the lower circumference of the abdomen. Or it DID have, I believe, as I killed it, sorry to say. Adrenaline does that! I salute the poor thing for not biting me and letting me shake it off, from my armpit region, which matches the ‘non-aggression’ characteristic quite well, agreed. I’ve not got a strong immune system or good health at the moment and a bite to the underarm is near the heart, so it did freak me out a bit to see it there… I’m in a house full of spiders in the countryside but I take that as a mark of how healthy the living is out here for ALL beings, live and let live. Just don’t crawl up my armpit, silly spiders… 🙂

  15. David if you continue to give credibility to newspaper reports that are in contrast to the advice within this thread and elsewhere then the issue isn’t the spider, but your own anxieties. I’m sorry but we cannot embelish the biology of the spiders to fit the newspaper reports.

    None of the Steatoda genus hold venom that is necrotising, therefore reports of rotten wounds, flesh eating wounds etc is either erroneous or due to secondary infection. To be honest I’d be more inclined to believe the possible culprit is MRSA. Quite simply Steatoda are not capable of producing the issues that are often reported.

    In response to your other point, Steatoda are not going to scare off other species, nor will any other species of spider. They are often territorial but not nomadic, so wherever you see it one day its quite likely to be seen there on subsequent days.

    Young Steatoda are often without markings, just plain black or subdued markings. However, the species themselves are often a varied pattern so there will be diversity within a individuals.

    As for the reports of Black Widows, from my understanding these have been isolated issues, some were mistaken identity whilst others were no more than individuals or a small community. I’m not aware of a living community within the last 10 years.

  16. Thank you Allen and Christie for this article and the youtube video. I have been concerned about this but not scared, although a little freaked but now I am as creeped out as I always am with any insect lol. I know my sister will feel the same way. I have heard all the horror stories surrounding this species and I did wonder as I had lived down in Devon for 24 years and now live in Warwickshire (I am only 25) and cannot recall ever coming into contact with it or if I did then I didn’t know about it. You have not only stood up for a spider, u have done a public service by providing true facts for people to make their own conclusions.

  17. Hello I have recently come across this article and while it has helped me massively I would be grateful if u could help with a few things..I live in South Wales and am terrified of spiders I have young children and am wondering I have a few spiders in and around my shed and home the ones in my shed have bulbous backs with like a pattern on the back Im like a v shape sort of..no banding around like described any idea what they could be also do you know if we have any false widow spiders in South Wales please help me I feel I’m on verge of a breakdown

    1. As per the article and our experts’ responses to similar questions, you can be comforted by three factors. Firstly, it’s unlikely to be the false widow. Secondly, even if it is, it’s unlikely to bite. Thirdly, even if it does, it’s unlikely to cause anything more than minor irritation.

  18. False widow is the term given to numerous species of Steatoda and within each species there’s variation in the pattern, but there’s also variation according to age.
    Your biggest issue is irrational response. That’s what you need to face up to. You might want to contact local tarantula sellers or providers, the biggest importer of tarantula is situated in Wales. Get accustomed to seeing these via a pet shop or local invert group and it will definitely help with your fear of much smaller spiders.
    To put it into context cats and dogs, even well behaved ones, pose a far greater danger. So, if I suggested that the sight of one brought me to the point of a breakdown you might consider that I was being irrational. It really is the same, but of course its our own personal anxieties that rule our lives. In this case the little creatures in your shed are getting the blame. 🙂

  19. I just want to say that this helped me alot, im 14 and so scared of spiders, I get panic attacks and my skin starts to itch. I was reading this at night because I saw two baby false Widows and I know that they were because I always like to stay informed about spiders in the uk and in particular the ones in the south west, just so I know what to look out for. Ilooked in all my corners and there is nothing, a few hours earlier I rearranged my room and opened my window, so im still unsure on whether something has had babies in my bedroom or they got in through the window, but this made me feel alot safer and ccalmed me down… thanks

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